Noble Fidelity L-85 LCRS In-Ceiling Loudspeaker Reviewed

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Noble_Fidelity_L-85_LCRS_in-ceiling_speaker_review_close-up.gifI'm a huge fan of in-wall loudspeakers because I believe they've reached a level of performance that rivals many of their freestanding counterparts, yet because they lack a traditional cabinet and furniture grade finish they often retail for a fraction of the price. For example, my former reference theater (5.1) was designed and built around Meridian's now discontinued 300 Series in-wall loudspeakers. When properly installed, configured and powered the Meridian in-walls were capable of sound quality that rivaled many high-end reference loudspeakers such as Wilson Audio's WATT Puppy 8 (Sasha W/Ps weren't around at the time), yet they didn't take up an inch of square footage in my home and the entire system cost roughly $20,000 or nearly $10,000 less than a pair of WATT Puppy 8s. So when my wife and I recently moved to our new home in the country there wasn't even a question about whether or not we'd use in-wall loudspeakers. The question was, which ones? Imagine my surprise when upon moving in we discovered that our walls wouldn't allow for in-wall loudspeakers due to construction methods employed in the late 1930's when our house was originally built.

Additional Resources
• Read more reviews in our In-Wall Speaker Review section.
• Explore receiver options to pair with the L-85 LCRS in our AV Receiver Review section.

While I have been a supporter of in-wall loudspeakers, my experience with in-ceiling loudspeakers was close to zero. I had heard a few in stores and in some high-end home automation systems around the country but never for an extended period of time. That's when I learned of Noble Fidelity. I had booked a Noble Fidelity review for fellow writer Jim Swantko, who received a home theater based around their L-82 in-wall loudspeaker. Jim was so pleased with the L-82's performance that he nominated them for Home Theater Review's coveted Best of Award in 2010, which they later won in the category of best in-wall loudspeaker. It was after the L-82 review that I got in contact with Noble Fidelity's Greg Ford and began discussing his in-ceiling loudspeakers, specifically the L-85 LCRS reviewed here. My biggest question, could the L-85 LCRS sound like in-walls or better yet floorstanding loudspeakers despite having to be mounted in a ceiling? Greg Ford refused to answer my question; instead he sent me seven L-85 LCRS loudspeakers so that I could judge for myself.

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The L-85 LCRS is (according to Noble Fidelity) a high performance, single point, round in-ceiling loudspeaker. Retailing for $349.00 each the L-85 LCRS utilizes an eight-inch Kevlar woofer like Bowers & Wilkins with a single, one-inch soft dome tweeter resting dead center. The whole speaker, drivers and all, has a 15-degree offset or rake allowing the L-85 LCRS to direct its sound at the listener seated below. To further help with placement and/or to address boundary concerns the L-85 LCRS comes standard with midrange and high frequency acoustic compensation switches, which allow you to better "dial in" their sound to better suit your room and tastes. The L-85 LCRS is as well suited to serving as the main channels (L/C/R) in a home theater setup as it is rear channels in a non in-ceiling or in-wall theater, but more on that later.

The L-85 LCRS measure nearly 13 inches in diameter and five and three quarter inches deep but require only an 11 and a half-inch diameter cutout for mounting. The L-85 LCRS weighs a little over six pounds and is finished in a matte white, which you can paint to match your décor. The L-85 LCRS has a reported frequency response of 38Hz to 21kHz with a sensitivity of 91dB into a stable eight-Ohm load making it ideal for today's modern receivers or mid-fi separates. The L-85 LCRS is not an enclosed design meaning it has no back box shrouding its internal electronics and wiring from debris such as insulation or dust that might be found in your ceiling. Instead the L-85 LCRS comes with what Noble Fidelity calls a "Top Hat" or a thin piece of nylon that covers the speaker's 'guts' so to speak, keeping them free of unwanted particles or environmental hazards.

Speaking of the environment, Noble Fidelity is a charter member of the IPRO Manufacturers Group and the first manufacturer to be RoHS compliant recognized by the U.S. Green Building Council. I like the extra effort to be a little more green especially when installing something into my walls.

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The Hookup
The L-85 LCRSs arrived individually packaged one to a box. The entire presentation, from the box itself to the experience of unpacking each L-85 LCRS, was decidedly Apple-esqe, so those of you who have recently purchased an iPhone or iPad know exactly what I'm on about. At one point I had to pull up Noble Fidelity's website to double check the L-85 LCRS's price for I've unboxed speakers and electronics costing four times as much packed with less pride and attention to detail.

Now, I should point out that Noble Fidelity's speakers are sold through select dealers nationwide so chances are you won't have to undergo any of the steps I'm about to describe. However if you don't have a Noble Fidelity dealer in your area you might want to take notes. Also, for those of you who opt to go it alone or DIY style please know that you're not going to be installing your speakers blind; Noble Fidelity will send you a drawing of your room and where your speakers should be mounted free of charge so as to ensure maximum performance and customer satisfaction. Noble Fidelity already had both my living room and master bedroom dimensions so when the seven L-85 LCRS speakers arrived they were accompanied by two very precise schematics detailing exactly where each speaker should be installed.

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For the purposes of this review I installed two L-85 LCRSs in my reference home theater to act as rear channels to my Bowers & Wilkins 800 Series Diamond loudspeakers. I installed the remaining five L-85 LCRSs in my master bedroom creating a full surround sound system that I augmented with a single, GoldenEar ForceField 4 Subwoofer.

I started by measuring the center point of each of the L-85 LCRS's positions on my ceiling, which were previously determined by Noble Fidelity. Once I had the center point(s) marked I used the L-85 LCRS's included circle tool. Once I had all of the mounting holes drawn I used a very small drill bit and a stud finder to check for studs one last time and since both Noble Fidelity and I planned ahead none were present. From there I used a simple drywall saw to cut out along my pencil lines until I had five large holes in my ceiling.

With the holes cut I ran my speaker wire next, which I picked up from my local Best Buy - just be sure it's in-wall rated before you go buttoning things up. With the speaker wire in place and dangling about a foot below each hole I began the process of installing the L-85 LCRSs. I should stress that while I did the entire installation myself I don't recommend it, especially when it comes to installing the speakers in the ceiling, for an extra set of hands would've saved me and my shoulders a lot of grief. It's not that the process of installing the L-85 LCRSs is difficult; it's just hard when you need to use one hand to hold the speaker in place while the other tightens the dog-ear mounts by hand via a simple screwdriver. You can use a powered screwdriver but exercise extreme caution so not to strip the screws or over-tighten them because you can quickly crack drywall that way or worse, make it so the speaker's dog-ear brackets snap, thus failing to hold the speaker in place.

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With all five speakers aimed, installed and secured I attached the L-85 LCRSs' white metal grills and began to clean up. Per Noble Fidelity's instructions all five L-85 LCRS speakers were to be pointed straight back at my rear wall, including the rears. I connected the L-85 LCRSs to my Onkyo receiver and ran through its auto setup, which included Audyssey's EQ program, before letting the whole system play for several days before sitting down for a listen. The rest of the components in my bedroom system are as follows: Apple TV, Sony BDP-S350 Blu-ray player, Dish Network HD DVR, Vizio LCD HDTV with cabling by Transparent and racks and mounts from Omni Mount.

Performance
Not wanting to waste any time I began my evaluation of the L-85 LCRS with some two-channel music courtesy of The Matrix soundtrack (Maverick) and Rammstein's "Du Hast." Right off the bat the L-85 LCRS proved to be explosive, possessing lightening fast reflexes that made for a dynamic performance that came from nowhere and shook me off guard. Now, the GoldenEar ForceField 4 subwoofer did aide the L-85 LCRS's performance in this and other regards, but nevertheless, the L-85 LCRS's attack was visceral. At high volumes the L-85 LCRS's soft dome tweeter retained its composure, failing to compress or shout the way other budget dome tweeters can and often do. The L-85 LCRS's midrange was precise, articulate and a touch forward and just ever so slightly on the lean side (which may have been more the fault of the Audyssey program) that gave the music a more energetic vibe. Despite its slightly forward nature, the L-85 LCRS's overall sound was a lot closer to that of a large open baffle or, dare I say, panel speaker than a traditional cone and dome design; no boxy resonances, bloat or romanticism here.

Read more about the performance of the L-85 LCRS on Page 2.
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  • Comment on this article

  • By Sang

Hi Andrew, thanks for the review! I am looking into the Noble L-85 LCR for a home i am moving in which comes with 5 cutout holes in the ceiling prewired for a 5.1 system. Can you comment on which of these 2 options is better for 50/50 movie/music in a 20x15x9' family room?
1) 5 Noble L-85s in ceiling
2) Patch the 3 front cutout holes, use a LCR soundbar (AT FS-5000 or similar) below TV, and use the rear 2 cutouts for in ceiling surrounds
i will have a sub for either setup and price for both is ~ 1500, give or take. Which will you recommend?
Thanks,
Sang

  • By Sang

Hi Andrew, thanks for the review! I am looking into the Noble L-85 LCR for a home i am moving in which comes with 5 cutout holes in the ceiling prewired for a 5.1 system. Can you comment on which of these 2 options is better for 50/50 movie/music in a 20x15x9' family room?
1) 5 Noble L-85s in ceiling
2) Patch the 3 front cutout holes, use a LCR soundbar (AT FS-5000 or similar) below TV, and use the rear 2 cutouts for in ceiling surrounds
i will have a sub for either setup and price for both is ~ 1500, give or take. Which will you recommend?
Thanks,
Sang

Thank you Andrew for this wonderful Review.

Regarding difficulty attaching the grilles…

Our loudspeaker frames do not have the rigidity of forged steel. It is fairly easy to over-tighten the mounting screws. When the mounting screws are too tight the loudspeaker frame twists inward. This causes difficulty affixing the grilles. Our Dealer/Integrators that regularly install Noble Fidelity are aware of this and it is never an issue.

Where DIY’ers are concerned, clearly we need to do a better job of communicating the message, “Do not over-tighten the Mounting Screws”, we need to improve our installation instructions to include and address the issue. We apologize to Mr. Robinson for the frustration he experienced in this regard.

Regarding our loudspeakers “lacking” back boxes and our Top Hats…

Our Attaché Series of In-Wall & In-Ceiling loudspeakers were designed to render the widest and smoothest frequency response possible, with off-axis performance as consistent to on-axis performance as possible. The very low cubic volume of back boxes sized for popularly priced, affordable In-Wall and In-Ceiling loudspeakers substantially limit low frequency extension. Low frequency extension is one of the performance parameters Noble Fidelity always receives high marks for. We achieve this by designing for the large volume, infinite baffle environment which the small back box design is just the opposite of.

The Top Hats are in no way presented in lieu of a low-frequency limiting small back box enclosure. On the contrary, our Top Hats are ACOUSTICALLY ABSENT. They contribute zero limiting of low frequency extension. They simply limit debris from coming in contact with the backside of the loudspeaker assembly.

Thank you again and thanks all the more for providing this comment section offering us the ability to respond.

For anyone with questions or interest in discussing any aspect or possibility of choosing to use Noble Fidelity loudspeakers please call us at (888) 808-HiFi (4434) we would love to hear from you.

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